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		<title>By: Ken Stewart</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsu, thank you for the in depth points... I really appreciate the feedback. To some extent the article was intended to be attention grabbing.

I suppose I&#039;m talking on two different angles here, and allowed emotion to bundle them together.

On one hand, I completely agree with you that fierce competition is a must in order for consumers to benefit in a capitalist society (you will notice I did mention this in my article).

On the other hand, I am completely sick to death of the community of &quot;fanboys&quot; espoucing how great things like Google, Apple, and Mozilla are - and continually bashing on Microsoft just because it seems like its an &quot;us against the big machine&quot; type of mentality.

Do not mistake my intention here, I whole-heartedly agree in a persons right to feel that way, but these companies are just like any other - not some &#039;holier-than-thou&#039; entity that is revolutionizing the world - at least not like Mother Teresa or Mahatma Gandhi.

So, to your points on Firefox and Mozilla, I would generally agree, but think the code does need some improvements. I do agree with your assertion that we need standards to write web-based (or any other) code to. I do not agree that FF3 is a superior browser, in general purpose - but to me it is much like the devil you know vs. the devil you don&#039;t.

To my other point in my rant, I suppose my underlying fear is that the &quot;tech&quot; community is a bit myopic in their outlook and are continually gushing on firefox, twitter, friendfeed, apple, and google... as a general observation.

Thank you for bringing some clarity to the rant ;-) Great comments, and I most definitely welcome a challenge - or else I wouldn&#039;t have posted this somewhat contrarian opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsu, thank you for the in depth points&#8230; I really appreciate the feedback. To some extent the article was intended to be attention grabbing.</p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;m talking on two different angles here, and allowed emotion to bundle them together.</p>
<p>On one hand, I completely agree with you that fierce competition is a must in order for consumers to benefit in a capitalist society (you will notice I did mention this in my article).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am completely sick to death of the community of &#8220;fanboys&#8221; espoucing how great things like Google, Apple, and Mozilla are &#8211; and continually bashing on Microsoft just because it seems like its an &#8220;us against the big machine&#8221; type of mentality.</p>
<p>Do not mistake my intention here, I whole-heartedly agree in a persons right to feel that way, but these companies are just like any other &#8211; not some &#8216;holier-than-thou&#8217; entity that is revolutionizing the world &#8211; at least not like Mother Teresa or Mahatma Gandhi.</p>
<p>So, to your points on Firefox and Mozilla, I would generally agree, but think the code does need some improvements. I do agree with your assertion that we need standards to write web-based (or any other) code to. I do not agree that FF3 is a superior browser, in general purpose &#8211; but to me it is much like the devil you know vs. the devil you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>To my other point in my rant, I suppose my underlying fear is that the &#8220;tech&#8221; community is a bit myopic in their outlook and are continually gushing on firefox, twitter, friendfeed, apple, and google&#8230; as a general observation.</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing some clarity to the rant <img src='http://changeforge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great comments, and I most definitely welcome a challenge &#8211; or else I wouldn&#8217;t have posted this somewhat contrarian opinion</p>
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		<title>By: ChangeForge</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>ChangeForge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tsu, thank you for the in depth points... I really appreciate the feedback. To some extent the article was intended to be attention grabbing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose I&#039;m talking on two different angles here, and allowed emotion to bundle them together.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On one hand, I completely agree with you that fierce competition is a must in order for consumers to benefit in a capitalist society (you will notice I did mention this in my article).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, I am completely sick to death of the community of &quot;fanboys&quot; espoucing how great things like Google, Apple, and Mozilla are - and continually bashing on Microsoft just because it seems like its an &quot;us against the big machine&quot; type of mentality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do not mistake my intention here, I whole-heartedly agree in a persons right to feel that way, but these companies are just like any other - not some &#039;holier-than-thou&#039; entity that is revolutionizing the world - at least not like Mother Teresa or Mahatma Gandhi.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, to your points on Firefox and Mozilla, I would generally agree, but think the code does need some improvements. I do agree with your assertion that we need standards to write web-based (or any other) code to. I do not agree that FF3 is a superior browser, in general purpose - but to me it is much like the devil you know vs. the devil you don&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To my other point in my rant, I suppose my underlying fear is that the &quot;tech&quot; community is a bit myopic in their outlook and are continually gushing on firefox, twitter, friendfeed, apple, and google... as a general observation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for bringing some clarity to the rant ;-) Great comments, and I most definitely welcome a challenge - or else I wouldn&#039;t have posted this somewhat contrarian opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tsu, thank you for the in depth points&#8230; I really appreciate the feedback. To some extent the article was intended to be attention grabbing.</p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;m talking on two different angles here, and allowed emotion to bundle them together.</p>
<p>On one hand, I completely agree with you that fierce competition is a must in order for consumers to benefit in a capitalist society (you will notice I did mention this in my article).</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am completely sick to death of the community of &#8220;fanboys&#8221; espoucing how great things like Google, Apple, and Mozilla are &#8211; and continually bashing on Microsoft just because it seems like its an &#8220;us against the big machine&#8221; type of mentality.</p>
<p>Do not mistake my intention here, I whole-heartedly agree in a persons right to feel that way, but these companies are just like any other &#8211; not some &#8216;holier-than-thou&#8217; entity that is revolutionizing the world &#8211; at least not like Mother Teresa or Mahatma Gandhi.</p>
<p>So, to your points on Firefox and Mozilla, I would generally agree, but think the code does need some improvements. I do agree with your assertion that we need standards to write web-based (or any other) code to. I do not agree that FF3 is a superior browser, in general purpose &#8211; but to me it is much like the devil you know vs. the devil you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>To my other point in my rant, I suppose my underlying fear is that the &#8220;tech&#8221; community is a bit myopic in their outlook and are continually gushing on firefox, twitter, friendfeed, apple, and google&#8230; as a general observation.</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing some clarity to the rant <img src='http://changeforge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Great comments, and I most definitely welcome a challenge &#8211; or else I wouldn&#8217;t have posted this somewhat contrarian opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Strong One</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Strong One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to say.. I tried Firefox a while back and didn&#039;t like it.
Call me the amateur, but I seem to stick with IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say.. I tried Firefox a while back and didn&#8217;t like it.<br />
Call me the amateur, but I seem to stick with IE.</p>
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		<title>By: Strong One</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator>Strong One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to say.. I tried Firefox a while back and didn&#039;t like it.&lt;br&gt;Call me the amateur, but I seem to stick with IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say.. I tried Firefox a while back and didn&#8217;t like it.<br />Call me the amateur, but I seem to stick with IE.</p>
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		<title>By: tsudohnimh</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>tsudohnimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the article but must say I have a very different view of Mozilla and Firefox. Firefox is just a browser and Mozilla is not doing cancer research. However, Mozilla is producing excellent open source software that standardizes across all 3 major operating platforms. As we move toward the inevitability of cloud computing and ubiquitous web based applications I think the presence of an open source, standards compliant and community reviewed browser is absolutely necessary. 

Firefox&#039;s innovations continue to elevate browsing technology and promote web standards. Without Firefox I doubt IE7 would be offering tabbed browsing or that the IE7 team would have focused on creating a more standards compliant browser. An open source foundation is keeping a behemoth software company on their toes and that is a very good thing for the end user regardless of their browser preference. (Imagine what would happen if a Linux environment like Ubuntu continues to gain popularity and compatibility, Windows 7 might be very different. Doubtful to be sure, but it&#039;s nice to dream)

Finally, the Mozilla team continues to find a way to make a &quot;better browser.&quot; Even a simple and intuitive addition like the Firefox 3 address bar has already drastically reduced the time it takes me to visit a URL. Mozilla seems to put real thought into what a web user needs, like adding tags to bookmarks, creating smart bookmark folders, or introducing a new iconography to SSL certificate validation. That type of thinking has not occurred or at least has not translated into software with IE. IE7 is still slow, has (IMHO) a terrible UI, and treats invalid certs with a terrible error page that a common user mistakes for a 404.

I&#039;m grateful to Mozilla and the Open Source community for meeting my needs and making my browsing experience better. IE hasn&#039;t done that since the Netscape days.

Good post my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the article but must say I have a very different view of Mozilla and Firefox. Firefox is just a browser and Mozilla is not doing cancer research. However, Mozilla is producing excellent open source software that standardizes across all 3 major operating platforms. As we move toward the inevitability of cloud computing and ubiquitous web based applications I think the presence of an open source, standards compliant and community reviewed browser is absolutely necessary. </p>
<p>Firefox&#8217;s innovations continue to elevate browsing technology and promote web standards. Without Firefox I doubt IE7 would be offering tabbed browsing or that the IE7 team would have focused on creating a more standards compliant browser. An open source foundation is keeping a behemoth software company on their toes and that is a very good thing for the end user regardless of their browser preference. (Imagine what would happen if a Linux environment like Ubuntu continues to gain popularity and compatibility, Windows 7 might be very different. Doubtful to be sure, but it&#8217;s nice to dream)</p>
<p>Finally, the Mozilla team continues to find a way to make a &#8220;better browser.&#8221; Even a simple and intuitive addition like the Firefox 3 address bar has already drastically reduced the time it takes me to visit a URL. Mozilla seems to put real thought into what a web user needs, like adding tags to bookmarks, creating smart bookmark folders, or introducing a new iconography to SSL certificate validation. That type of thinking has not occurred or at least has not translated into software with IE. IE7 is still slow, has (IMHO) a terrible UI, and treats invalid certs with a terrible error page that a common user mistakes for a 404.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grateful to Mozilla and the Open Source community for meeting my needs and making my browsing experience better. IE hasn&#8217;t done that since the Netscape days.</p>
<p>Good post my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: tsudohnimh</title>
		<link>http://changeforge.com/2008/06/22/firefox-3-the-great-let-down/comment-page-1/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>tsudohnimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the article but must say I have a very different view of Mozilla and Firefox. Firefox is just a browser and Mozilla is not doing cancer research. However, Mozilla is producing excellent open source software that standardizes across all 3 major operating platforms. As we move toward the inevitability of cloud computing and ubiquitous web based applications I think the presence of an open source, standards compliant and community reviewed browser is absolutely necessary. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Firefox&#039;s innovations continue to elevate browsing technology and promote web standards. Without Firefox I doubt IE7 would be offering tabbed browsing or that the IE7 team would have focused on creating a more standards compliant browser. An open source foundation is keeping a behemoth software company on their toes and that is a very good thing for the end user regardless of their browser preference. (Imagine what would happen if a Linux environment like Ubuntu continues to gain popularity and compatibility, Windows 7 might be very different. Doubtful to be sure, but it&#039;s nice to dream)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, the Mozilla team continues to find a way to make a &quot;better browser.&quot; Even a simple and intuitive addition like the Firefox 3 address bar has already drastically reduced the time it takes me to visit a URL. Mozilla seems to put real thought into what a web user needs, like adding tags to bookmarks, creating smart bookmark folders, or introducing a new iconography to SSL certificate validation. That type of thinking has not occurred or at least has not translated into software with IE. IE7 is still slow, has (IMHO) a terrible UI, and treats invalid certs with a terrible error page that a common user mistakes for a 404.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m grateful to Mozilla and the Open Source community for meeting my needs and making my browsing experience better. IE hasn&#039;t done that since the Netscape days.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good post my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the article but must say I have a very different view of Mozilla and Firefox. Firefox is just a browser and Mozilla is not doing cancer research. However, Mozilla is producing excellent open source software that standardizes across all 3 major operating platforms. As we move toward the inevitability of cloud computing and ubiquitous web based applications I think the presence of an open source, standards compliant and community reviewed browser is absolutely necessary. </p>
<p>Firefox&#8217;s innovations continue to elevate browsing technology and promote web standards. Without Firefox I doubt IE7 would be offering tabbed browsing or that the IE7 team would have focused on creating a more standards compliant browser. An open source foundation is keeping a behemoth software company on their toes and that is a very good thing for the end user regardless of their browser preference. (Imagine what would happen if a Linux environment like Ubuntu continues to gain popularity and compatibility, Windows 7 might be very different. Doubtful to be sure, but it&#8217;s nice to dream)</p>
<p>Finally, the Mozilla team continues to find a way to make a &#8220;better browser.&#8221; Even a simple and intuitive addition like the Firefox 3 address bar has already drastically reduced the time it takes me to visit a URL. Mozilla seems to put real thought into what a web user needs, like adding tags to bookmarks, creating smart bookmark folders, or introducing a new iconography to SSL certificate validation. That type of thinking has not occurred or at least has not translated into software with IE. IE7 is still slow, has (IMHO) a terrible UI, and treats invalid certs with a terrible error page that a common user mistakes for a 404.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grateful to Mozilla and the Open Source community for meeting my needs and making my browsing experience better. IE hasn&#8217;t done that since the Netscape days.</p>
<p>Good post my friend.</p>
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